He loved us first, Jesus looked directly upon sinners, and he promises not to leave or forsake us. Rather in an oral culture, it could prompt people to think of Psalm 22, and remind them of the victorious conclusion. Our imaginations can not fathom the whole of the evil in that concept. Nehemiah 3:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context The Bible says, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD." Then he said, “It is finished,” and he gave into death. You’ll never see it more clearly than at the cross. He turned away in sorrow and deepest pain when He saw what sin had done. Jesus willingly took on what we could not. Rather Jesus healed them, taught them, ate with them, cast demons from them, discipled them, and more. Cups of sanctification/deliverance/redemption/praise vs. Cup of grief, etc. Luther says, “God forsaking God. Christ was not overcome. Chris, I would really love to hear the sermon by Kyle Volkmer you mentioned. With our thoughts, actions, and words; each of us should seek to reflect the character and action of Jesus. We sang the song, “How Deep the Father’s Love For Us” again in church this past Sunday. Thank you so much for sharing such a great truth, I still would like you to shed light on the scriptures Jesus quoted. Please include this statement on every copy distributed: By Colin S. Smith. When the first man and woman sinned… who hid and Who searched? Everyone who has children knows about this. The KNOWLEDGE of this existed as God’s grief from the beginning (Jesus as the ‘Man of Sorrows’) the POTENTIAL of autonomous man to grieve God by his separation through sin. “Jesus is a Person of the Triune Godhead for all eternity.” If we say that God cannot look at sin, then we dishonor the divinity of Jesus Christ. Hi. In fact Ps 22:24 says that God has NOT forsaken, has NOT turned his face away. What did this mean to the Father to give up his dearly loved Son to this hell on the cross? Beliefs impact actions and therefore during this Easter season, we want to share why we think this phrase is biblically inconsistent. How true this is for me, that in my great despair, I can be deceived into believing that God is less than He is. No doubt that Jesus could “feel” abandoned and alone on the cross. It’s very hot,” what’s the first thing you want to do? He knows full well the weight of sin. Correct, no word Trinity in the Bible, but the concept certainly is there, and you probably know the references, but let me know if you don’t. Jesus is not on the cross now. However, the worst thing about hell is that God is not there. The love that the Son has enjoyed with his Father for all eternity is now beyond his reach. Jesus was in great anguish. Agree with your post in so many ways. by Chad Leslie Segraves | Apr 18, 2017 | Blog, Recent Items | 34 comments. Get this book. The gospels do not say what Jesus’ cup of Gethsemane contained (wrath, suffering, punishment, sin, etc. But we do think is saddens God to hear that… Thanks for reading and commenting! We are taught about God’s judgment in the first book of the Bible, Genesis. There were more kings of Persia besides those four, but they had no concern with the people of God. “This Week at Unlocking the Bible” features new articles, radio programs, devotionals, and ministry updates, Colin Smith is the Senior Pastor of The Orchard Evangelical…, He is in blackest darkness (2 Peter 2:17), He is separated from the love of God (2 Thessalonians 1:9). This was not an eclipse. He — Xerxes was more potent than all the other three, because his father Darius had gathered an incredible mass for him, which he himself increased for six years together, before he made his expedition against Greece. His reference to “the father turns his face away” is “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? In writing about the Trinity, precision is important (“Jesus was required to be part of the triune unity from the beginning”) Need to make your point sharper. Just last Sunday, a grandmother in the congregation asked me to pray for her grandson, who is undergoing extended medical treatment for a severe condition. Christ is the atoning sacrifice [propitiation] for our sins (1 John 2:2). Easter messages disappoint me when they portray Jesus as weak and feeble in Gethsemane, unsure and alone on the cross. Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? The Father Turns His Face Away? As such, we must consider that Jesus did not mis-speak in His anguish when He cried: “Father, Father! We don’t come to the death and resurrection of Jesus to pass by—our life is here. Also, you seem quite certain about the Trinity, and your word “unbiblical” can mean many things. 41:15 . As you ponder Holy Week, may you realize that God loves you so much that he didn’t turn away from Jesus on the cross. In that giving of himself to partake in what we can not give to obtain a life forever with the Father….Can you imagine the plethora of unimaginable evil that would incure in a life without God?!? He is risen and exalted at the right hand of the Father. Homosexuality, unbridled lust, and idolatry are all part of God’s judgment on a nation that has turned away from Him. Give a child a rule and he or she will see it as an invitation, “When the commandment came, sin sprang to life” (Romans 7:9). And Jesus experienced the hidden face of God so that we no longer have to. Is there an experience of judgment for people that is beyond what Jesus experienced? Are you going to let go your God because you have lost His smile? The pathways was therefore opened FROM earth TO heaven, a path that all who would call upon the name of Jesus could follow. But……Jesus can. Up to this point it has all been about physical suffering—the scourging, the nailing and the mocking—all at the hands of men. That is where Jesus life in the flesh ultimately was sacrificed. If God could not look upon sin, then the incarnation (and many other significant events) could not take place. The exchange, during that moment is that Jesus won the victory. Spurgeon had a special sensitivity towards Christians who suffer from the darkness of depression, and sometimes feel that God has forsaken them. Also, Christ is a man, no fellowship was broken, and Trinity is also unbiblical. because the father punished christ in the same way christians and the church should punish our brothers and sisters when found in Fornication, drunkenness, idolatry, or covetousness. People are talking about hell these days, and the discussion is all about whether or not it is real. Rather than sin breaking apart the most holy and unified relationship in the universe, sin was shattered and the Enemy spectacularly defeated. What separates Christianity from all other belief systems is the truth that God came to earth, lived perfectly though tempted, and took upon himself the shame and punishment of humanity’s sin. He also said he felt that if Jesus was saying that the Father forsook him, then he really did. Since the Christian view of God is trinitarian we also see God’s face in his Spirit whom he has sent to live in our hearts. At the time I had been going through a dry spell in my spiritual life. The Father turns His face away The line describes the pain of the cross, and then goes on to state that the Father turned His face away from His Son, something that many in evangelicalism believe. This seems inferred based on the crucifixion accounts in Matthew and Mark in which Jesus calls out, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God why have you forsaken me?” Luke and John do not record the phrase, but do record other phrases (as well as do Matthew and Mark) showing Jesus’ control and intentionality over the … Even in judgment, the Lord was teaching, right up until the very end. I see it preached EVERYWHERE and also as a worship pastor at my church I’ve noticed it in songs that we sing from some of the biggest worship artists, Hillsong, Bethel, Kari Jobe, etc…. Have you ever considered Eastern Orthodoxy? Christ said i do nothing of myself, so how can he be fully God and Human if he does nothing of his self ? A day began at six o’clock, so it would have been nine o’clock in the morning. So we assume then that the consequences for those who die still in defiant rebellion against God don’t in fact get cut off from God? It cannot be, for God does not have a face. For the L ord your God is gracious and merciful and will not turn away his face from you, if you return to him. Instead, it means that God and Moses shared a deep friendship. To hear more about the messianic prophecy of Psalm 22 and Jesus’ reminder of the song in his oral culture, listen to 10/40’s podcast Live it Out! So, how can I learn to loathe sin so that I really turn from it? The experience was so horrible that the night before, Jesus prayed that this cup would be taken from him. The answer: Separation from Himself for all eternity. Does the Bible say the Father turned His face away from the Son? This is spot on! See great value in church history. ⦁ If God forsook Jesus on the cross, then we could imagine that God might forsake us when we mess up. Your Savior has a tenderness towards you that no one else in the world could ever have for you. The schism / void / brokeness would not have been transferred from the earth to heaven. Isaiah 50. I have long believed this, but was unable to explain it this precisely. Look up the concept of “remez” as a hint or clue. I think people when they use the expression ‘turned His face away’, they are not saying God can’t look upon sin, but that the punishment that we deserve, eternal separation from God, was somehow experienced by the Son. Now Jesus was entering into the heart of his atoning work as our sin-bearer. Verse 3 We just produced a short video on this topic (https://vimeo.com/405919307). Here, the prophet Habakkuk speaks and in his speech he expresses his confusion about why evil is prevailing. May 16, our book is releasing called Engaged in Love and War. Look at the darkness he was in when he said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken Me?” and you’ll see that you have a Savior to whom you can come in the darkest moments of your life—when you feel God is nowhere near you. ⦁ God has set us apart to engage the world – not to retreat from it. Malachi 3:13–18 contains one of the most comforting passages in the Old Testament. It isn’t possible. Nine o’clock, ten o’clock, eleven o’ clock… sometime that morning, one of the thieves began to fear God and asked Jesus to remember him. Jesus later declared that “The Son of Man (Jesus) came to seek and save the lost” (Luke 19:10). Maybe he was thinking, “I really don’t prefer cup #3!” but that is pretty much a speculation. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree (1 Peter 2:24). He exhausted it and came through it. Let me remind you of them briefly…. Morality can tell you what sin is, but it cannot teach you to hate it. Jesus said, “The reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life” (John 10:17). He did not avoid sinners. No! Did Jesus say, “Take this cup of suffering away from me” or, “Receive this cup of my blood from me, shed for the forgiveness of sins, poured out as a drink offering.”?? He was there for you and you don’t think that he loves you? Thank you Hudson for your comment. In the terror and agony of it all, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (O Death, where is your sting?) God loves and God looks. “Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. Well said! God’s righteous judgment for sin fell on Jesus. Easter has passed, but our series on the cross continues. I believe rather than just the idea that God is too holy(and He is), that He couldn’t ” look upon sin”….He is too Holy to partake in it. Therefore, Jesus was never alone. As Jesus bore the full weight of sin, He was sustained by His God; and the … He was doing the same, telling people He was the one David spoke of in Psalm 22. The law won’t get you there. Years ago I talked with a well‑known Bible teacher after hearing him preach. And we should also not think that sin can separate the Persons of the Trinity. He has been shut out from it, and yet he says, “My God, my God…” Robert Murray M’Cheyne says, These words show the greatest faith that ever was in this world. When these times come, you need to know Jesus has been there. Ill mention this swell, when Adam and eve sinned God cast them out of his garden and clothed them with animal sacrifices. Jesus willingly took on what we could not. Listen to these words of Richard Sibbes, If you would… see the most ugly colors of sin, then see it in Christ upon the cross, see… how bitter a thing it was… forcing Him to… send forth strong cries to His Father, “My God, my God why have you forsaken me.[3]. Hell is as real as the cross. The good news is that God knows those who are His and promises to reward them, even when all others have turned away. 4. Because he loves us, not only could Jesus look at sin, he wore it and absorbed it for us so that he can pay for the failings of all humanity. ... For the L ord your God is gracious and merciful and will not turn away his face from you, if you return to him. This is about as graphic of a warning that we can possibly receive from the Lord if any of us is wallowing and walking in any heavy sin areas, and then we try to approach Him to answer any of our personal prayers. 1), p. 354, Banner of Truth, 1973, [5] Robert Murray M’Cheyne, Sermons of R.M.M., p. 44, Banner of Truth, 1961, [6] C. H. Spurgeon sermon, Our Lord’s Solemn Enquiry, #3507, Apr. Townend’s song is beautiful, and the metaphor admits to other meanings. We go into more detail in our podcast with the link in blog. But Jesus never once says anything about having to endure God’s wrath. Blessings! This topic has been bugging me for almost a year and a half now. In the depths of his agony, Jesus cries out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”. 2. Posted on April 18, 2019 by Lynn. He turned away in anger over all the sin of the world that sent His Son to the cross. At the end of these three hours of darkness, the light returned. 1. The Holy One touched the unclean – and the unholy became clean. Jesus sees, understands, and promises to be with us. ... [12] He set his face like a flint to do God's will. Also, the original Greek does not indicate the cup “of suffering” – these words are only found in a few English translations. Actually there have been only a few who disagreed strongly, and those are included. We should seek to reflect the holiness of God while loving and reaching out to unholy people. Agree fully that Jesus’ sacrifice and resurrection made the way for salvation and forgiveness and restored relationship with God. Klass Schilder says God was “directly sending the torments of hell against the Christ.”[2] Here’s the deepest mystery in the darkness of the cross. O how we need to use our imagination to put ourselves back into his place and feel what he felt. Thanks be to God for his inexpressible gift. It is bearing the guilt of your own sin under the judgment of God. That is where Jesus life in the flesh ultimately was sacrificed. For us in the West, starting a psalm to make people think may seem strange. “turning your face away” symbolizes a break in fellowship. And Why It Matters. New American Standard Bible Jesus is fully God, and fully human. No, He loved his Son as much at that moment as He ever had. There are many problems to a belief system that declares God turns his face from Jesus on the cross because God cannot look at sin. ‭‭John‬ ‭16:32‬ We are the same, without faith in the shedding of christ blood, we are alienated and enemies in the mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present us holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight. The Father did not stop loving the Son in these hours of darkness. The idea of Jesus initiating a hymn of worship, which pointed to himself on the cross can seem like a strange way to interpret Jesus’ words on the cross. For example, the Spirit never operates independently from the Father and the Son, etc. Sometimes I hear Christians say, “I know Jesus died for my sins, but I don’t feel God loves me.” I want to say, “Slow down.” Before he created the universe, God the Father had you in view and planned for you in love. Israel Turns Away from God. Blessings, bro! !” (Mark 15:34) and “Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.” (Isaiah 53: 3-4). His face is turned toward his people to bless and sustain them (Ps. Thanks so much for your thoughtful comment. That was a frustrating conversation for me because at the time I didn’t realize how prevalent this whole “separation” idea was. Indeed, Jesus promises to never leave us or forsake us. Any exceptions to the above must be approved by Unlocking the Bible, 1-866-865-6253. If God turned away from Jesus on the Cross, then sin appears to be more powerful than the unity of the Triune God. Before you were born, God the Son took your flesh, he lived a perfect life and he went to the cross for you. God presented him [Christ] as an atoning sacrifice (Romans 3:25). It was ours. And because He still loves us, He wants to welcome us home — and He will, if we’ll only repent of our sins and turn to Him for the forgiveness and new life we need. God did hide his face… he did not deliver him, but certainly wanted him to take the curse for us… in our place! Bible Study Tools Language Tools Historical Writings Pastoral Resources Personal Resources Site Resources advertisement. He Jesus, willingly took on what we could not. If there was anyone who knew the prophecy of 1000 years previous and had not yet accepted Jesus as the Mesiah, this should convince them. But Jesus employs this tactic often in his teaching. The Bible says in Deut. H ere are seven good Bible verses about turning away from sin.. Luke 24:46-47 “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem”. do you think someone can lose their salvation? What I see is a savior and high priest who identifies with our deepest struggles. Only, it wasn’t His sin. They would remember verse 24 which states, “For he has not despised…he has not hidden his face from him”. [4], This is as plain a statement as you can get and it is faithful to the Scriptures. I want you to see this love and learn to enjoy it. I do believe that hell is fire. While tossing and turning in the night I often need to remind myself of the simple truth in 1 John 3:20.The message puts it like this: For God is greater than our worried hearts and knows more about us than we do ourselves. We go a little further in the podcast, but a blog may be helpful also. What man can understand this?”[1] Earth has rejected him and heaven has given him up. Does this follow then that Jesus has not in fact experienced the judgment or consequence of human rebellion. Psalm 22:24. 28 that if we honor and obey God, we reap blessings. Our imaginations can not fathom the whole of the evil in that concept. Bible verses about Turn Away From Our Wicked Ways. What Jesus was doing was using a form of teaching called remez or hint or clue. Bible verses related to Turning Away From God from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance - Sort By Book Order 2 Peter 2:20-22 - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. When I say “For God so loved the world,” you will automatically remember John 3:16 and finish the verse. It’s a question I’m still wrestling with. (Matthew 27:45). Richard Sibbes says, Whatsoever was done to Christ… shall be done to all that are out[side] of him. Repentance is difficult because part of us enjoys our sin. In the future we may use another blog and go through Ps 22 piece by piece, to dig a little deeper and not keep people wondering exactly what we mean. The psalm which begins with despair and vividly describes Jesus’ sufferings, ends with a rallying cry of victory. The Father did not cease to love him. Also, not sure what you mean about “both judgments of the two lineages of humanity.” That means he endured hell on the cross because that is the punishment for sin. I agree and appreciate your thoughts on this matter, as it has been a topic of much thought for me as well. This is important for our faith. He absorbed it in himself in order to save you from it. Large question you have. “But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.”. If then we are the children of God, we ought not to imagine God in terms of gold or silver or stone, contrived by human art or imagination. Now, what sin is there you cannot forsake on account of him? He purchased us and ransomed us from sin and darkness. When Christ becomes our sin-bearer, he’s plunged into all the torments of hell. How can I enjoy this? 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